Some IRC discussion:
<[3278]> I just hope we can work out the background stuff. I mean, more important than anything in this game is characterization and roleplaying, and if we can't work out our collective history, we're going to have massive problems.
* SludWork nods, yours and mine grew up under SK's watchful eye, so you might know mine, though she was assigned to another Dragon team...and transferred in with a op reputation of being unlucky.
<SludWork> a rivalry between mine and Wild's chars, similar types, physads, though mines stealth, hers is melee.
<[3278]> ...See, it's a lot like that. Everyone is going for independant backgrounds. It's like, by the time we're done, no one actually knows each other, and no one grew up together, and these are just a bunch of people from other units dragged in together.
<SludWork> from what i know...I'm the only one that transferred in.
<[3278]> Oh, no. Not the only one. It's actually looking crazily common. Some of that may have changed, but many, many people were planning similar things.
<SludWork> ah...hadn't seen Caz's or Cash's...so I'm going from what's been posted. ;/
<[3278]> Well, we'll see.
<Wildfire> Well, I'm going on the assumtion that we've been together for about 6 years now, or if you want her being a little younger when she came in (12's about as low as realistically possible, 8 if you want utter sillines) then longer
<[3278]> See? Another transfer case.
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<Wildfire> No, S-K, 'aquired' her in Peru
<[3278]> Exactly.
<Wildfire> Unless yopu can give me a case of why S-K has a compound /in/ Peru that teaches Capoeria
<SludWork> we were under the assumption that together as a unit for 6 years...before that, they were recruited, etc.
<[3278]> Well, that wouldn't be terribly difficult - undercover specops teams working with natives would want to do that - but it wouldn't matter; you're still not part of the War College, still not raised with the rest of us. But I don't think we're going to be that unified, so it's no big deal.
<[3278]> Ah, see, I was operating under a different assumption.
<[3278]> Which means these are all, I don't know, strangers, basically.
<SludWork> when initially together...they would be...but after 6 years of missions and training...they wouldn't be.
<Wildfire> Well, me take was the War College was all good, but every person with the same talents would be trained the same way, no S-K facility would teach more than a single martial combat style, because its all the same, I was more thinking they specifically pulled outsides into the College at various points to introduce variables. She's been in the college since she was 8/12/15 whatever
<[3278]> You're comparing 0 years to 6, and seeing closeness. I'm comparing 6 years to 28, and seeing strangers.
<[3278]> And that's fine, Wild; I'm just getting used to a different way of doing this.
<SludWork> 32: I've watched documentaries where rangers in Vietnam became family in a year because of conditions...
<[3278]> Of course, Slud. I've /known/ those people. Hell, I've /been/ those people. You know I haven't always worked day jobs. But again, 1 year isn't a whole life. Nor is 6.
<[3278]> God, I love Gryce.
* SludWork nods, we've just been working under different feelings as to how our b/g's should mesh, something to ask Paul about, because we were under impression of 6+ years..but not necessarily SK born and bred.
<[3278]> Yeah, and that's fine. I think the idea of being bred together was mine, anyway, and not something we'd decided on.
<SludWork> Gryce?
<[3278]> My character for Paul's other game.
<Wildfire> Well, I was also thinking my character was an anomoly, a kind of a test for the team, like goals were based ona team finishing something, and they gave you all her, who didn't speak any english, but was good when she understood what you wanted.
<SludWork> and lunch time, gotta reboot.
<Wildfire> Gyce is a bastard
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<Wildfire> +r
<[3278]> And that's kind of what I'm saying, Wild; everyone, of course, wants to play the anomoly. It's not your fault you do it better than most.
<Wildfire> Heh
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Well, its not set, either, I can change it so that she was raised S-K, but her parents worked as agents in the INM
<[3278]> Ah, I see the source, now: I made a recommendation of background, just stating my opinion, and no one responded; so I was operating off the assumption that we were going to do it that way, without waiting for other people to say, "Yeah, sure." My fault.
<[3278]> No, no. I don't think changing her around is necessary. I mean, if we're not all on the same wavelength at this point, shoehorning everyone back in isn't going to be much fun. Play your character, I'll play mine, we'll all be good.
<Wildfire> Well, honestly, its not that big of a deal, as long as she has her skill set, which is more a reflection of locale than background
<Wildfire> I back down her age a bit, and her proficiency at skills, and instead of her oddities being a culutural difference, she's just weird
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I think that would be cool, but it's /completely/ up to you. I'm 28, by the way; I figured I'd be at the upper end of the age spectrum, per Slud's advice.
* Wildfire nods
<Wildfire> Its cool, she'll be at the younger boundary
<[3278]> Oof. So much to do. I've still not even /started/ working on his stats.
<Wildfire> I haven't even looked at magical stuff, either. Its all so much still a vague idea
<[3278]> Yeah, me too. I'm not sure what course I want to take with my magic. I'm likely going to have to spread myself /really/ thin.
<[3278]> Well, I've got stuff to do here. I'll talk to you both later. Bye-ee!
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<Wildfire> Work time, be back from Kai in 10 to 15
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<Sludig> back
<Kai> Posted some thoughts in the general Dragons thread
<[32|away]> I hope you die!
<[32|away]> Wait, no.
<[32|away]> That's good.
<[32|away]> Yep, that's what I meant.
* Sludig wonders how many on both teams were born/bred SKers.
<Sludig> there are two on Gold (for now, no idea about Kain's)
<[32|away]> I wonder, too. I mean, we keep asking for background, but there's not a whole lot. You, me, and Wild all have it. Who else?
<[32|away]> Kain's will be.
<Sludig> so three...and despite me being a in transfer to the unit...your chars probably have trained close by me for a lot of years.
<Kai> I'm a doofus. I can't multiply. Its 937.5 karma, not 917.5. Sigh
<[32|away]> That's so much karma.
<Kai> I know
* Sludig likes points...karma has too much funky math after a while.
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<Kai> I could never grasp the balance with points, karma I understand after buying improvement to characters, it seems to make much more sense to me
<Kai> Anyway, reworking her background as she was born and raised with her parent undercover in the INM in Peru, and then just got a late start into the formal classes at 8.
<Sludig> here's an interesting question, would the War College military school bed by training cadre, or male/female?
<[32|away]> Training cadre.
<[32|away]> IMO.
<Kai> I was thinking like boarding school, Classes and then dorms inside each class boys and girls. Until teams that is
<Sludig> I was thinking a mix of both...
<Sludig> Hold old is your char Earl?
<[32|away]> 28. The upper end of the spectrum, as per your suggestion.
<Sludig> hold old is your Wild?
<Kai> 25, lower end
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<Sludig> So Earl was in a higher class because of age, but would probably have seen/heard of Nikita (my char), and depending...Wild's and mine were probably in the same cadre (if done by age.
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<[32|away]> Well, no, I would have trained with you, actually. I was just admitted later, and have had more training to do, because of my magic.
<Kai> Yeah, I was thinking there was a 3 year age grouping of Classes
<Sludig> I figure the cadres are by age...even as vast as SK is..the washout rate by the time teams are selected, there would need to be some brought in from the outside.
<[32|away]> All of us would be the 2039 Class, or so. Well, I'm about to write out my point of view, so you'll see.
<Kai> I was seeing multiple classes everywhere, and we might not have all been from the same Class before we were a team, but we were all in that age range
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<[32|away]> Just made my idea post for the War College.
<Jeff> Checking...
<Jeff> Whoever mentioned about training together since like age 10, I could kiss you.
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<Jeff> I really hope that everyone starts to understand that there's no way SK would even accept you at a later date. Not enough loyalty implied.
<Kai> That was me, but obviously from our two posts 32 and I were thinking muchly different things
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<[32|away]> We are.
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<[32|away]> Jeff: I'm thinking age 5 or so.
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But, you know, I'm a little out there.
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<Kai> I was thinking the War College was like S-K's /entire/ childhood training system for combat
* Sludig nods.
<[3278]> [I'm so happy; I have the mIRC from work at home now. All my aliases, my interface...I could cry.]
<Kai> heh
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<Jeff> 32: Exactly like the Clans was what I was thinking.
<Jeff> You're so spot on with that.
<[3278]> Well, we're going to have to work this stuff out, and with Blue team, as well.
<Jeff> These folks would be a culture unto themselves.
<[3278]> I'm glad I made the General thread, now. I didn't even think about it before, but we really have to work with them closely if we want anything like a unified background. I should have thought of it earlier.
<Rico> What if the parent was a loyal, if hidden, employee/trainer? The kid doesn't know it, but his father is giving him the same upbringing as everyone in the war college, but somewhere else
<Kai> I was kind of thinking 10 just to introduce a little individual personality development before they became a team, so they don't all act, react, sound, etc exactly alike
<Jeff> Especially if the War College follows that line of thought, it makes things more interesting.
* Sludig was thinking this...despite training together...there would be some attrition due to wash out etc, and would pull in, from a younger age (pre-20) some outside, though loyal somehow.
<Jeff> What happens when the replacement for a lost team member comes on board? Who the hell would trust them for the first year, or two?
<[3278]> Rico: That'd be /so/ impossible, though. I mean, training like in the War College, but alone, and in secret. He just wouldn't have the ability. I mean, there's a reason they train the army together, you know?
<Jeff> Sludig: I see what you're saying, but I just have a heard time buying that with SK. Especially with SK and their loyalty concerns, and considering that there is no more skilled teams than the Dragons.
<Rico> I'm talking from ages 0-18 or so
<Kai> Its so against the grain of making an SR character, but different is good, too
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<Jeff> If you were talking Firewatch, maybe. If you're talking Red Samurai, possible but unlikely.
<Jeff> But SK....I just don't see it.
<[3278]> This is /absolutely nothing like/ making an SR character.
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<Jeff> Kai: Exactly.
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<Jeff> That's why I like it.
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<Rico> And we're not exactly talking about some book-teacher training them, we're talking about a former USMC Gunnery Sgt. who happens to be one of the War College trainers, but his family doesn't know it
* Sludig nods, that's why if they are the son/daughter of a loyal SK employee...or something similar. I like and I don't like the clans anlogy.
<Kai> Hmm, here's an idea, DRagon candidates are taught /exclusively/ by their parents if they are Dragon, or an assigned mentor, the have /no/ contact with people their own age until 10 when they are placed in a team.
<[3278]> Oof. I'm in a lousy mood right now, and my brain still isn't quite straight from this weekend, so I'm going to go. But let's throw ideas around - mostly in thread! IRC is making this /really/ hard to follow, since a lot of the decisions that have been made have been made in private, and we can't all follow it - and see what we can't turn out.
<[3278]> Have a good day, everyone.
<Rico> Uhm... I was thinking closer to 18-19 for William.
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<Rico> later 32
<Rico> Well, I have something I have to get to. Be back some time later
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